Legislature(2003 - 2004)

04/01/2004 03:32 PM House FIN

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HOUSE BILL NO. 453                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     An  Act  exempting  from  regulation  under  the  Alaska                                                                   
     Public  Utilities  Regulatory Act  wholesale  agreements                                                                   
     for  the sale  of  power by  joint  action agencies  and                                                                   
     contracts related to those  agreements, and joint action                                                                   
     agencies  composed  of  public  utilities  of  political                                                                   
     subdivisions and utilities  organized under the Electric                                                                   
     and Telephone Cooperative Act.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Cheryll  Heinze   pointed   out  that   with                                                                   
transmission lines  dating back to the 1950's  and generation                                                                   
assets   that   are   20-30  years   old,   Alaska's   energy                                                                   
infrastructure is  in need of  an upgrade.  According  to the                                                                   
Railbelt  Energy  Study, upgrade  costs  would  be around  $5                                                                   
billion dollars.   The House and  Senate recognized that when                                                                   
they  passed HCR  21, establishing  the  Joint Energy  Policy                                                                   
Task Force  (JEPTF).  HCR 21  mandated a review  and analysis                                                                   
of the State's long-term energy  needs, asking the task Force                                                                   
to develop  a long-term  energy plan  to efficiently  enhance                                                                   
Alaska's economic future.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Heinze  pointed out  that  one  of the  major                                                                   
recommendations  made by JEPTF  was that the State  "promotes                                                                   
unified operations  of Railbelt  generation and  transmission                                                                   
systems."  A  unified system operator would,  by coordinating                                                                   
the  resources of  the various  Railbelt utilities,  be in  a                                                                   
position to  undertake the financial obligation  of upgrading                                                                   
the Railbelt.   The  demands of  the infrastructure  upgrades                                                                   
are beyond  the financial capability  of any single  utility.                                                                   
The proposed  legislation is  a tool that  will give  a Joint                                                                   
Action Agency  (JAA) the financial  stability to  fulfill the                                                                   
role of a unified system operator.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Heinze  commented  that  HB  453  would  make                                                                   
slight  changes  to  existing  statute  that  permit  certain                                                                   
entities  to create  what  is called  a  Joint Action  Agency                                                                   
(JAA) under AS 42.45.300, a business  organization of similar                                                                   
structure  to   a  "5"   or  "C"  corporation,   partnership,                                                                   
cooperative   or   limited   liability   corporation   (LLC).                                                                   
Specifically, language would be  added to AS 42.05.431(c) and                                                                   
AS 42.05.711(o),  to exempt contracts by such  an agency from                                                                   
regulation.   She thought it would  be fitting and  proper in                                                                   
that the  entity that  is exempted by  the change  to statute                                                                   
could  only be  made up  of cooperatives  under  AS 10.25  or                                                                   
entities  owned  by a  political  subdivision  of the  State,                                                                   
whose governing bodies are publicly elected.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative    Heinze    further    concluded    contracts                                                                   
consummated  by a  JAA with  other public  utilities for  the                                                                   
sale of power, wheeling, storage,  regeneration, or wholesale                                                                   
repurchase  under   a  wholesale   agreement,  would   be  an                                                                   
agreement between  two or more  willing and capable  parties.                                                                   
Any disputes would be handled  in Superior Court according to                                                                   
contractual law.  She strongly  urged the Committee's support                                                                   
of HB 453.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Williams noted  that the  bill would  not be  moved                                                                   
from Committee  at this  meeting and that  the intent  of the                                                                   
meeting was to only take public testimony.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JOE  GRIFFITH,   CHIEF  EXECUTIVE  OFFICIER   (CEO),  CHUGACH                                                                   
ELECTRIC,   ANCHORAGE,   testified  that   Chugach   Electric                                                                   
supports HB  453, a tool  that the Legislature  could provide                                                                   
to  JAA's  to reduce  regulatory  uncertainty  and  financing                                                                   
costs for future electrical infrastructure.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Griffith  indicated  that   the  Railbelt  energy  study                                                                   
identified  that over $5  billion dollars  would be  spent in                                                                   
the next  25 years on  Railbelt electrical supply,  including                                                                   
fuel,  operations and  maintenance expenses  and the  capital                                                                   
necessary to replace  aging equipment to meet  new electrical                                                                   
demands.  He added  that $5 billion dollars could  be a major                                                                   
contributor to Alaska's economic future.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Griffith pointed  out that the Legislature  has indicated                                                                   
that  the  utilities should  no  longer  count on  the  State                                                                   
providing  grants for  future infrastructure  needs.   HB 453                                                                   
would  help utilities  fill that  gap  without burdening  the                                                                   
State  with  government subsidy  and  continued  bureaucracy.                                                                   
The  JAA would  be comprised  of  cooperatives and  municipal                                                                   
utilities.   Representatives  of the utilities  would  sit on                                                                   
the agencies  board of  directors.   Mr. Griffith  continued,                                                                   
member  utilities would  approve  all power  sale  agreements                                                                   
between  JAA  and member  utilities.    The addition  of  the                                                                   
Regulatory Commission of Alaska  (RCA) oversight would not be                                                                   
necessary  as   the  utilities   have  a  voice   in  project                                                                   
operations, maintenance and cost recovery.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Griffith pointed out that  governance of cooperatives and                                                                   
municipal utilities serve at the  pleasure of the membership.                                                                   
The member/owners  have the ability to change  the governance                                                                   
if they don't  agree with the reliability, price  and service                                                                   
they receive  from their  utilities.   Joint action  agencies                                                                   
would be  comprised of members  who have common  interest and                                                                   
shared goals.  All would have  a voice at the table and would                                                                   
be free to make their own choices.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Griffith stated  that  Chugach Electric,  Golden  Valley                                                                   
Electric, and Anchorage Municipal  Light & Power would be the                                                                   
initial members of the Joint Action  Agency.  It is Chugach's                                                                   
desire to "see the other utilities  join as they see benefit"                                                                   
in the  process.  He acknowledged  that all utilities  do not                                                                   
see  eye to  eye.   It is  hoped  that the  JAA process  will                                                                   
provide a  better framework  for future project  developments                                                                   
and  that  supporting  HB 453  will  help  maintain  low-cost                                                                   
reliable power  by giving  utilities the  tools they  need to                                                                   
attract   low-cost  financing   to   build  Alaska's   future                                                                   
electrical infrastructure.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JAMES POSEY,  GENERAL MANAGER, ANCHORAGE MUNICIPAL  LIGHT AND                                                                   
POWER,  ANCHORAGE,  commented  that Anchorage  Municipal  had                                                                   
started a  large mine in the  Fairbanks area with  the intent                                                                   
to continue  economic development  to help pay  future debts.                                                                   
He noted  that the work of  the utility industry is  to "keep                                                                   
the lights  on".   He pointed out  that Anchorage  shares the                                                                   
load  with  other   Valley  utilities.    The   way  that  is                                                                   
accomplished is  through interties and investments  made over                                                                   
the years.  The equipment and  lines are aging and it is time                                                                   
to address  these  issues.  Alone,  a utility  cannot do  the                                                                   
projects that need to be done.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Posey pointed  out that some plants have  been shut down.                                                                   
All the  additional loads  and investments  that the  utility                                                                   
must make,  take a  toll.  JAA  would be a  tool to  help the                                                                   
utilities get low cost financing.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
TUCKERMAN   BABCOCK,  MANAGER   OF  GOVERNMENT  &   STRATEGIC                                                                   
AFFAIRS,   MATANUSKA    ELECTRIC   ASSOCIATION,    ANCHORAGE,                                                                   
introduced Mike Polley, Manager  of Corporate Communications,                                                                   
Matanuska  Electric Association.    Mr. Babcock  pointed  out                                                                   
that  Matanuska  Electric  is  the  largest  utility  in  the                                                                   
Railbelt  and that  they oppose  HB 453.   He referenced  the                                                                   
handout  from Patton Boggs  Attorneys  at Law, which  analyze                                                                   
the legislation.  (Copy on File).   He stressed that the bill                                                                   
would do more  than currently mentioned.  He  emphasized that                                                                   
the  relationships  of  the utilities  in  the  Railbelt  are                                                                   
complex  and that  the bill  would  have several  detrimental                                                                   
effects on existing costs of power in that area.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Babcock  recommended  a   review  of  the  findings  and                                                                   
recommendations  of  the  Legislature's  Energy  Policy  Task                                                                   
Force,  particularly the  Government Action  Section on  Page                                                                   
12.   That  report was  delivered earlier  in the  year.   In                                                                   
Section 12, it  was recommended to promote a  unified system,                                                                   
operator or  operation system in  the Railbelt.   Any efforts                                                                   
toward that  goal, Matanuska Electric  would support.   There                                                                   
have been three methods proposed:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   ·    Power pooling,                                                                                                          
   ·    Joint action agency, and                                                                                                
   ·    Generation of a transmission cooperative.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The underlining principle  in those three cases  would be the                                                                   
recommendations from  the Energy Policy Task  Force, creating                                                                   
a unified system of operation.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Babcock  commended Representative Heinze for  her forward                                                                   
movement in implementing  a direction that would  establish a                                                                   
new  system for  operations;  however, the  proposed  concept                                                                   
would not  accomplish that  end.  He  urged the Committee  to                                                                   
revisit  the issue  and allow  RCA to  make a  recommendation                                                                   
regarding operations.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Croft  inquired  how   the  bill   could  be                                                                   
detrimental.   Mr. Babcock responded that  Matanuska Electric                                                                   
is a customer of Chugach Electric.   Matanuska Electric would                                                                   
not be negotiating  for at least the next ten  years with any                                                                   
Joint Action Agency for the power  produced by JAA.  Instead,                                                                   
Matanuska Electric  would be required  to purchase  all their                                                                   
power directly from Chugach Electric.   Under the bill, there                                                                   
would be  no regulation  regarding the price  to be  paid for                                                                   
wholesale power.   He stressed that there can  be no consumer                                                                   
protection oversight without that regulation.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  clarified  if Matanuska  Electric  was                                                                   
concerned that  if the JAA were  formed, it would  sell power                                                                   
internally  at  an  artificially  high  rate.    Mr.  Babcock                                                                   
acknowledged that was correct.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft commented that  the JAA would  have to,                                                                   
in a fact, "damage"  their own customers, before  they end up                                                                   
damaging  the electric  companies without  membership in  the                                                                   
JAA.  Mr. Babcock  stated that under contract,  they would be                                                                   
paying exactly the same that Chugach  would be charging their                                                                   
own customers.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft pointed  out  that RCA  would not  have                                                                   
jurisdiction  over the rate  that JAA  charges, but  asked if                                                                   
they  would they  have  jurisdiction  in a  substantive  rate                                                                   
setting case  to look at the  underlining merits of  the rate                                                                   
JAA  charges.    Mr.  Babcock  stated  that  the  bill  would                                                                   
prohibit the Commission from doing that.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stoltze requested  that RCA testify before the                                                                   
Committee  as well  as lawyers  and experts  on the  subject.                                                                   
Co-Chair  Williams noted  that Mark  Johnson from  Regulatory                                                                   
Commission of Alaska  (RCA) was online to testify.   He added                                                                   
that  the legislation  would  be before  the  Committee at  a                                                                   
later date.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTINE   PIHL,   (TESTIFIED  VIA   TELECONFERENCE),   VICE                                                                   
PRESIDENT,     SEATTLE-NORTHWEST     SECURITIES,     SEATTLE,                                                                   
WASHINGTON,  commented that HB  453 would  result in  a lower                                                                   
cost for  capital.   She requested time  to explain  how that                                                                   
could happen.   Credit ratings matter to  utilities, directly                                                                   
determine costs  of capital and  impact the bond  line, which                                                                   
impacts ratepayers.   There are many factors  that contribute                                                                   
to a  strong rating.   The regulatory  oversight is  the most                                                                   
significant  qualifier.   Most large  power companies  across                                                                   
the nation are  not setting regulations, which  does not mean                                                                   
that  they are  free  from  accountability because  they  are                                                                   
accountable to their  customers and members.   She added that                                                                   
around the Nation, there is a lot of public trust.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Pihl  advised   that  utilities   are  responsible   to                                                                   
shareholders  and customers,  which  is why  it is  important                                                                   
that  they  are  subject  to   regulation.    From  a  rating                                                                   
perspective,  she stated that  self-regulation is  a stronger                                                                   
financial performance.  State  regulators are not bad people,                                                                   
but they  are not into the  database results of  a particular                                                                   
utility.  It would  be impossible for them to  have that kind                                                                   
of  knowledge.    The  utilities   and  the  regulators  have                                                                   
aligning  interests for  reliable low-cost  power.   However,                                                                   
their  processes  are  incompatible  for  creating  financial                                                                   
flexibility.    Given  how  volatile  the  power  market  has                                                                   
become,  it  is  increasingly   difficult  for  utilities  to                                                                   
respond   to  what  is   happening  in   the  power   market.                                                                   
Regulations make that more difficult.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pihl advised  that the best and strongest  utilities from                                                                   
a  credit  rating  perspective  are  free  from  regulations.                                                                   
Chugach  Electric is  an example  of  the decline  in a  good                                                                   
credit rating.   In  2003, Chugach Electric  got a  two notch                                                                   
down grade, each sighted the regulatory  environment as being                                                                   
the reason  for the decline.   She stressed that  Chugach has                                                                   
been disadvantaged  because of the regulatory  environment in                                                                   
Alaska, resulting  in increased costs  to the taxpayers.   An                                                                   
additional impact  is that Chugach wants to  "jump higher and                                                                   
run faster" than  other utilities that are not  regulated but                                                                   
have  similar   rating  results   because  of  the   negative                                                                   
environment  created through  the regulations.   In  order to                                                                   
create a  financially strong environment  for the  JAA's, the                                                                   
best thing to  do would be to  adopt HB 453, as it  creates a                                                                   
positive  environment for  regulations.   She commented  that                                                                   
the JAA would be directly responsible  to their constituents.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Stoltze   inquired    who   Ms.   Pihl   was                                                                   
representing.   Ms.  Pihl  responded that  she  was a  public                                                                   
power regulation maker and worked  for public power utilities                                                                   
around the Nation and with Chugach Electric.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stoltze observed  that in  Alaska, there  are                                                                   
unusual marketing structures for  the electric utilities.  He                                                                   
asked  if  that  was  true.   Ms.  Pihl  replied  how  Alaska                                                                   
compared   to  the  grid   for  the   rest  of  the   Nation.                                                                   
Representative Stoltze commented  that he was most interested                                                                   
in the marketing  structure of the utility environment.   Ms.                                                                   
Pihl  pointed  out  that  there   are  many  rural  utilities                                                                   
throughout  the  Nation, more  than  the large  ones  serving                                                                   
metropolitan areas.   Chugach is rated, as  compared to those                                                                   
other utilities.  What happens  in the regulatory environment                                                                   
impacts their  credit ratings.   There are many  similarities                                                                   
in the national power market to  what is occurring in Alaska.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CLAIR  HEISE, (TESTIFIED  VIA  TELECONFERENCE), ALASKA  POWER                                                                   
ASSOCIATION,  ANCHORAGE,  read  the testimony  for  Mr.  Eric                                                                   
Yould,  Alaska Power Association,  who  was unable to  attend                                                                   
the House Finance Committee meeting.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
    Prepared Testimony read from Mr. Eric Yould:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    "A1aska  Power  Association (APA)  strongly  supports  HB
    453,  which  would  create  a  joint  action  agency  for                                                                   
    Railbelt  electric utilities.   The purpose  for the  new                                                                   
    entity is  to share the  ownership and management  of the                                                                   
    Bradley Lake  Hydroelectric project  and Alaska  Intertie                                                                   
    assets,  which   could  be   acquired  from   the  Alaska                                                                   
    Industrial Development  and Export Authority  (AIDEA) and                                                                   
    its' affiliate, Alaska Energy Authority (AEA).                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Although owned by the  State, the  Bradley Lake  project                                                                 
    and the Alaska Intertie are currently  managed and funded                                                                   
    by the Railbelt utilities through  the Interlie Operating                                                                   
    Committee  and   the  Bradley  Lake  Project   Management                                                                   
    Committee, respectively.   It  is important to  note that                                                                   
    all  the Railbelt  utilities  are  either  consumer-owned                                                                   
    cooperatives  or  municipal  systems  that  are  directly                                                                   
    responsible to their customers.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
    AIDEA  has expressed  an  interest in  divesting  Bradley                                                                 
    Lake and the  Alaska Intertie to interested  utilities in                                                                   
    the Railbelt.  The Alaska Power  Authority (APA) Board of                                                                   
    Directors believes  that it  is in  the best interest  of                                                                   
    the Railbelt utilities to have  common ownership of these                                                                   
    projects,  to   provide  a  funding  mechanism   for  the                                                                   
    projects' maintenance,  capital improvements  and repair.                                                                   
    Please be aware that there is  a difference of opinion on                                                                   
    HB 453  among  APA's members  in the  Railbelt.   Chugach                                                                 
    Electric Association,  Anchorage Municipal Light  & Power                                                                   
    and Golden Valley Electric Association  support the bill.                                                                   
    Homer Electric  Association  and City  of Seward Light  &                                                                   
    Power Division oppose it.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
    Attached is  the APA resolution supporting  authorization                                                                   
    of  a  joint  action  agency  (JAA)  for  State  electric                                                                   
    infrastructure assets."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
    Resolution 2004:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     5.1)  A  Resolution Supporting  the  Authorization of  a                                                                 
     JAA for State Electric infrastructure Assets.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The    Alaska   industrial   Development    and   Export                                                                   
     Authority/Alaska  Energy Authority  is the owner  of the                                                                   
     Bradley   Lake   Hydroelectric   Project   and   Alaskan                                                                   
     Intertie.    These  assets  are  currently  managed  and                                                                   
     funded  by the Railbelt  utilities through  the Intertie                                                                   
     Operating   Committee  and  the  Bradley   Lake  Project                                                                   
     Management   Committee,  respectively.     The  Railbelt                                                                   
     utilities  are made up of a combination  of cooperatives                                                                   
     and municipalities.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     AIDEA  has expressed an interest in  divesting itself of                                                                   
     these  electrical  projects to  interested utilities  in                                                                   
     the  Railbelt.  It would be in the best  interest of the                                                                   
     Railbelt  utilities  to have common  ownership of  these                                                                   
     electrical   projects  that   will  provide   a  funding                                                                   
     mechanism    for    necessary    maintenance,    capital                                                                   
     improvements  and repair of  these projects.   The Joint                                                                   
     Action  Agency is  a formal  organization recognized  by                                                                   
     the  State  of Alaska  that is  particularly useful  for                                                                   
     organizations    that    include   municipalities    and                                                                   
     cooperatives.     Alaska   Power  Association   strongly                                                                   
     supports  the authorization of a Joint  Action Agency as                                                                   
     a  new entity to share ownership and  manage assets that                                                                   
     may be transferred from AIDEA/AEA.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster requested a list of the member's of                                                                       
the association.  Ms. Heise pointed out that there are 26                                                                       
active members of the agency:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Electric Energy Cooperative; Alaska Electric                                                                        
     Generation & Transmission Cooperative; Alaska Village                                                                      
     Electric  Cooperative;  Anchorage  Municipal  Light  and                                                                   
     Power; Barrow Utilities &  Electric Cooperative; Chugach                                                                   
     Electric    Association;    Copper    Valley    Electric                                                                   
     Association;  Cordova  Electric  Cooperative;  Four  Dam                                                                   
     Pool  Power  Agency;  City   of  Galena,  Golden  Valley                                                                   
     Electric  Association; Homer  Electric Association;  INN                                                                   
     Electric   Cooperative;  Kodiak  Electric   Association;                                                                   
     Kotzebue   Electric   Association;   Levelock   Electric                                                                   
     Cooperative;  Middle  Kuskokwim   Electric  Cooperative;                                                                   
     Naknek   Electric   Association;  Nome   Joint   Utility                                                                   
     Association;   North  Slope   Borough  Power   &  Light;                                                                   
     Nushagak  Cooperative, City  of Seward  Light and  Power                                                                   
     Division;  Thomas  Bay  Power  Authority;  Tlinget-Haida                                                                   
     Regional    Electric    Authority     (Inside    Passage                                                                   
     Cooperative);  Unalakleet Valley Electric  Cooperative &                                                                   
     Yakutat Power                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Foster asked  which  associations oppose  the                                                                   
legislation.  Ms.  Heise stated that only Homer  Electric and                                                                   
the City of Seward oppose the bill.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Chenault asked  why Homer Electric opposed the                                                                   
bill.   Ms.  Heise  responded that  she  was not  comfortable                                                                   
representing their  position.  She encouraged  Representative                                                                   
Chenault to consult with that association.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MARK  JOHNSON,  CHAIRMAN,  (TESTIFIED   VIA  TELECONFERENCE),                                                                   
REGULATORY  COMMISSION  OF ALASKA  (RCA),  ANCHORAGE,  stated                                                                   
that the  Regulatory Commission  of Alaska  is opposed  to HB
453.   The  legislation holds  the potential  to exempt  from                                                                   
regulatory oversight  most new  electrical generation  in the                                                                   
Railbelt in future years.  The  only effect that HB 453 would                                                                   
have  would be  to provide  an  exemption from  all forms  of                                                                   
regulatory oversight.   The legislation does  not enhance the                                                                   
functioning of the  JAA's.  From the perspective  of the RCA,                                                                   
HB 453  would provide no  tangible or measurable  benefits to                                                                   
the  consuming  public  while   at  the  same  time,  creates                                                                   
significant  potential for  the  abuse of  monopoly power  in                                                                   
Alaska's most capital-intensive industry.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson continued,  the  principal  joint action  agency                                                                   
under Alaska  law is  the entity created  to manage  the Four                                                                   
Dam  Pool  assets,   which  were  built  with   direct  State                                                                   
appropriations  in   the  1980's.    The   agency  functioned                                                                   
reasonably  well, which was  the case  because of the  unique                                                                   
circumstances  causing  its  formation.     Underpinning  the                                                                   
formation of  the Four Dam Pool  joint action agency  was the                                                                   
fact that  all of the assets,  which were and are  subject to                                                                   
agency   management,  were   already   constructed.     Those                                                                   
agreements were  already in place  for the purchase  and sale                                                                   
of wholesale power from the projects.  In summary, the State,                                                                   
with  heavy  legislative  involvement,  determined  that  the                                                                   
investments were  appropriate and  that management  under the                                                                   
joint action agency concept was  the preferred course for the                                                                   
administration  of  those  facilities.   AS  42.05.43  1  (c)                                                                   
grants  an exemption  to the Four  Dam Pool  Agency from  RCA                                                                   
jurisdiction but that exemption is of limited duration.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson pointed  out in  stark  contrast, the  exemption                                                                   
proposed in HB  453 would extend to an unknown  number of new                                                                   
joint action agencies,  for an undefined number  of projects,                                                                   
which have  not yet  been planned,  constructed, financed  or                                                                   
operated.  Further,  the  exemption  would  be  of  unlimited                                                                   
duration.   If exempt from  RCA jurisdiction,  new electrical                                                                   
generation facilities  in the Railbelt constructed  under the                                                                   
auspices of one  or more new joint action agencies  would not                                                                   
be subject to any independent review as to:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   ·    Their necessity or prudence;                                                                                            
  ·    The reasonableness of their operating expenses; or                                                                       
   ·    The rates to be charged for power produced from the                                                                     
        facilities.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson emphasized that the  RCA believes that a grant of                                                                   
such sweeping  authority would  be unprecedented  in Alaska's                                                                   
history.    A  variety  of problems  could  arise  under  the                                                                   
legislation, which  would be very  difficult to  correct once                                                                   
significant  resources  had  been invested  in  a  particular                                                                   
project.   One  area lies  in  the scope  of projects,  which                                                                   
might be undertaken.  For example,  the potential exists that                                                                   
a  self-governed,  unregulated   joint  action  agency  could                                                                   
determine that  the provision  of generation or  transmission                                                                   
facilities  might  include  the   construction  of  extensive                                                                   
private   roadways,  pipelines   or  even   railroads.     No                                                                   
independent  mechanism  would exist  to  control or  question                                                                   
such   decisions  or   investments.   Similarly,  no   direct                                                                   
mechanism would  exist to control  or question the  sizing of                                                                   
proposed plant  investments or  their fuel  sources.   In the                                                                   
arena of operations  and maintenance, no agency  could review                                                                   
the reasonableness  or prudence  of expenses of  joint action                                                                   
agency facilities.   Any and  all expenses would  be included                                                                   
in the  wholesale rates to  be charged to power  distributors                                                                   
on a "take it or leave it" basis.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Johnson   summarized  that   the   Legislature   should                                                                   
understand that  while joint  action agencies are  identified                                                                   
in the  final report  of the  Energy Policy  Task Force  as a                                                                   
method for  unified system operation,  the Task  Force report                                                                   
does not  mention or endorse  the exemption of  such agencies                                                                   
from RCA regulation.  RCA agrees  with the Energy Policy Task                                                                   
Force recommendations  that joint action agencies  could play                                                                   
a useful role in the planning,  construction and operation of                                                                   
new generation and  transmission facilities.  In  the view of                                                                   
the RCA, constructive use of the  joint action agency concept                                                                   
must   include  statutory   provisions  as   to  the   scope,                                                                   
governance  and operation  of  such agencies.   The  complete                                                                   
exemption  of such agencies  from RCA  jurisdiction does  not                                                                   
solve any  identifiable problem  except to satisfy  a general                                                                   
desire  for  the  lessening  of   regulatory  burdens.    The                                                                   
Legislature should understand  that regional interests of one                                                                   
utility could  induce generation and transmission  decisions,                                                                   
which,  while  favorable  to  one utility,  are  not  in  the                                                                   
overall  public   interest.    The  State  needs   to  retain                                                                   
oversight  of major infrastructure  decisions, and  continued                                                                   
ratemaking jurisdiction.   Decisions on major  infrastructure                                                                   
projects  are  best reviewed  either  by the  Legislature  or                                                                   
through an  agency charged with  cost analysis  that embraces                                                                   
the   Railbelt  as   a  whole,   which   will  ensure   major                                                                   
infrastructure  decisions are  made in  the public  interest.                                                                   
Multiple  and serious  costs to  the  consuming public  would                                                                   
arise from  the blanket exemption proposed  in HB 453.    Mr.                                                                   
Johnson urged that HB 453 not  be enacted by the Legislature.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Stoltze  asked   the  consequences   if  the                                                                   
legislation   did  create   a   consolidation  with   limited                                                                   
oversight.   Mr. Johnson responded  that RCA had  worked with                                                                   
staff  and  the sponsor  of  the  proposed legislation.    He                                                                   
reiterated that the bill would  not accomplish anything other                                                                   
than taking  away jurisdiction of the Regulatory  Commission.                                                                   
The JAA would  not be subject to any regulatory  oversight by                                                                   
the  RCA.    He  added  that   in  California,  it  has  been                                                                   
determined that energy prices  in that State are volatile and                                                                   
have to  many constraints on  production and transmission  of                                                                   
electricity.   Problems have resulted  from having  a limited                                                                   
number of providers  and a limited number of  ways to provide                                                                   
electricity around  the State.   The dangers are  significant                                                                   
when addressing a limited number  of electric suppliers and a                                                                   
limited  number of  ways in which  the energy  can be  lifted                                                                   
out.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Heinze  inquired   if   most  public   power                                                                   
cooperatives  were regulated  in other  states.  Mr.  Johnson                                                                   
replied that some are self-regulated.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker asked  what is  a joint action  agency                                                                   
(JAA).   Mr. Johnson responded that  a JAA is a  legal entity                                                                   
created by statute,  possessing certain powers  to accomplish                                                                   
certain things.   The three biggest statewide  producers want                                                                   
to create a  single entity to accomplish  specific functions.                                                                   
The concern of RCA is that the  legislation would not provide                                                                   
the  necessary oversight  other  than through  the  structure                                                                   
created for the owner-utilities.   A JAA would not be subject                                                                   
to oversight in the State.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  asked if the JAA's were  a place where                                                                   
public  utilities come  together forming  an entity  to share                                                                   
the activities that  they undertake as power  companies.  Mr.                                                                   
Johnson  stated  that  the  intent was  to  jointly  own  and                                                                   
construct these  facilities in order to pursue  facilities of                                                                   
a larger scale.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  summarized,   the  individual  public                                                                   
utilities  coming  together  to  form this  JAA,  would  come                                                                   
together  to become  an agency.   That agency  would then  be                                                                   
exempt from  the oversight of  RCA regulations.   Mr. Johnson                                                                   
acknowledged that was correct  and that a new agency would be                                                                   
created.     RCA  believes   that  a   joint  action   agency                                                                   
appropriately structured  could be a useful  tool by enabling                                                                   
electric utilities to respond  to the needs for regeneration.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  attempted to  clarify  that what  Mr.                                                                   
Johnson  was   recommending  was  that  the   RCA  should  be                                                                   
regulating activities  amongst the members  of the JAA.   Mr.                                                                   
Johnson  responded  that  traditionally,  RCA would  be  used                                                                   
primarily  to determine  the size  and scope  of the  review.                                                                   
RCA  wants   to  retain  jurisdiction  over   the  individual                                                                   
utilities retail aspects.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  summarized  that  RCA  does  want  to                                                                   
retain jurisdiction  over individual utility sales  of retail                                                                   
power, and  that the RCA  wants the authority  to participate                                                                   
in a  regulatory basis  for whatever  those joint  activities                                                                   
are.   He asked if  RCA would  question that relationship  if                                                                   
there were a dispute.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Representative  Hawker questioned how  they would get  to the                                                                   
details  of a  dispute.   Mr.  Johnson warned  that with  the                                                                   
proposed legislation, RCA would  have that authority removed.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker remembered  the opposite position taken                                                                   
on that and asked to revisit it.   Mr. Johnson clarified that                                                                   
he had  based his comments  on what exists  in statute.   The                                                                   
Statute  clearly  highlights that  RCA  would  not have  that                                                                   
jurisdiction.   Representative  Hawker  noted  that he  would                                                                   
consult with Legislative Legal to make that conclusion.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
TOM  LOVAS, CHIEF  EXECUTIVE  OFFICER,  FOUR  DAM POOL  POWER                                                                   
AGENCY, ANCHORAGE,  commented that  the potential  exists for                                                                   
HB 453 to impact the Four Dam  Pool Agency and that the Board                                                                   
has not taken a  position on the bill.  To  the extent that a                                                                   
JAA is organized,  is potentially a situation  where the Four                                                                   
Dam  Pool would  become and  maintain an  exemption from  RCA                                                                   
regulations.  That is an exemption  currently, enjoyed by the                                                                   
agency.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lovas continued, to the extend  that the Four Dam Pool is                                                                   
successful at removing debt, it  is possible to be classified                                                                   
under exempt RCA  jurisdiction.  To that extent,  the bill as                                                                   
it  applies would  reserve  the exemption  for  the Four  Dam                                                                   
Pool.     He  added  from  the standpoint  of  the  operating                                                                   
agreements,  and in  coordination  among the  members of  the                                                                   
JAA, the  common interest and  goals in owning  and operating                                                                   
power plants  for the benefit of  the consumer, is up  to the                                                                   
agency and its  organization.  What transpires  ultimately to                                                                   
retail members is  subject to the jurisdiction  in the system                                                                   
already.   He added,  Four Dam  Pool has  been successful  at                                                                   
holding rates at a constant level  since 1998 with no change.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There is  a common interest among  the members of the  JAA to                                                                   
assure  that  the  operations  are  done  in  the  most  cost                                                                   
effective manner  and in  a way that  is consistent  with the                                                                   
common interest of the membership.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Croft  noted that Four Dam Pool  is an example                                                                   
of an unregulated  JAA.  He  pointed out that there  has been                                                                   
concern  that  an unregulated  JAA  would  sell power  at  an                                                                   
inflated expense.   He asked if that had been  the experience                                                                   
for the  Four Dam Pool.   Mr. Lovas  responded that  the Four                                                                   
Dam Pool shares equally in ownership  and operations and that                                                                   
it is a level playing field among all the memberships.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stoltze  inquired about the entrance  into the                                                                   
agreement, wanting  to know how it would affect  utilities in                                                                   
his region.   Mr. Lovas pointed out that internal  checks and                                                                   
balances would address concerns  resulting from the formation                                                                   
of a JAA.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Williams  stated  that  HB  453 would  be  HELD  in                                                                   
Committee for further consideration.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                

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